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Sunday, October 21, 2007

from a board post: the problem with liberalism in re: religious belief

 
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Me (in response to a number of things on a msg board):


"Acting like Jesus," despite what the mere construction of the word might suggest, is NOT what "Christianity" is. There are perfectly secular fruits of - and justifications for - "acting like Jesus" (like the Jesus we see in the Sermon on the Mount anyway). It was Paul however who put together this whole redemption story and transformed Christianity from being the religion OF jesus to being the religion ABOUT Jesus.

My idea in saying that hands-off respect for religious beliefs is killing us (which I share with writers like Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins) is that (and you can probably count this as a critique of one of the features of liberalism) so many of us are so beholden to bizarre ancient myths that it's impeding our progress on numerous issues of socio-political importance. If you look into the heart of the opposition to any of a number of issue positions liberals like myself care about.. you're likely to find religious fundamentalism driving that opposition. Abortion, contraception, gay rights, stem cell research, science education, civil rights, foreign policy, environmental policy, and more. Yet it's regarded as abhorrently subversive and impolite to actually question the basis of those beliefs. We've agreed to an absolute relativism when it comes to religious beliefs.. anyone can believe anything they want.. and no one's beliefs are any more well-reasoned.. well-thought out.. well-justified than anybody else's. And even if they are, you're not allowed to say it! To even begin to suggest otherwise is to sin against the identity politics of liberalism! As Sam Harris ably points out, fundamentalists will talk about evidence.. it's liberals who insist that we all play nice and not talk about religious issues. It is this relativistic morass that I think bogs us down.. and prevents us from asking the questions that need to be asked of religious believers. We seem to consider it perfectly fine for people to hold whatever religious beliefs they please.. but then act surprised when they actually act on the basis of those beliefs, treating the effects but not the cause. We insist that religious belief is "personal" and need not impinge on other people. It doesn't surprise me in the least that Christians try to outlaw abortion and gay marriage.. try to convert other people..  conduct foreign policy believing that a god promised certain pieces of land to certain peoples, etc. Beliefs have consequences. They are expressed in the voting booth and they are expressed by our leaders. Indeed, what IS a religious conviction if it's not allowed to be acted upon? Christians believe that Jesus told them to spread the good news. And they do. That's consistent. Believers consider abortion, contraception, homosexual practice, embryonic stem cell research, premarital sex, and more..  immoral. So not only do they try to avoid those things themselves.. but they preach the sinfulness of those things and try to oppose them on a legal and societal level as well. That's consistent. For believers to try to express these beliefs through legal and social institutions is "intolerant" and "illiberal?" Is this realistic? That seems to me to be, at best, a diplomatic holding pattern to keep us from each other's throats for the moment. We call each other "intolerant" for expressing their religious beliefs rather than evaluating the theology itself which gives rise to those beliefs. It's a nice sentiment to say.. hey, not everyone shares your beliefs.. and because we live in a pluralistic society.. we're going to need to compromise and not impose certain restrictions/laws/whatever on people who do not share our convictions. But people really believe these things! How I wish it were that most people had the sense of genuine fallibility that the liberal assumes. If I believe that you're an apostate.. that you're leading others into sin.. leading society in the wrong direction.. and that you're hellbound.. wh..  I, if I'm a devout Christian, am just supposed to be okay with that and say.. well different strokes for different folks? I think that's naive and neglects the fundamentally social nature of religious institutions. Not that we want to be abrasively disrespectful of people's deeply held beliefs either. I understand that beliefs pf this nature are often deeply and passionately held. Let me modify what I just said. Beliefs are not entitled to respect. PEOPLE are entitled to some measure of respect. It's a variation on the hate the sin, love the sinner idea. Beliefs can be as stupid and groundless as can be. And I won't deny that there are less intelligent people and there are more intelligent people.. but it is the person who is to be accorded respect when arguing about these things. Many studies do show, incidentally, that atheists and agnostics on the whole have higher average IQs than religious believers.. but that works against the point I'm trying to make and we'll leave that aside.

My point was that political correctness - the automatic respect we seem to accord religious dogma - is preventing us from criticizing and questioning people who desperately need criticism, questioning, and a healthy dose of intellectual modesty. And in this way.. religious dogma has a deathgrip on our society. The United States is so backwards compared to the rest of the developed world because of the precedence of evangelicism in this country. Europe is in many respects what our future looks like and I welcome it.

Many of you are objecting that atheists need a dose of "criticism" and intellectual humility if we are claiming that there CANNOT BE a god. I am not claiming that. You don't DISPROVE an assertion. The burden of proof is on religious believers putting forward the proposition that there is a god and that "he" cares about our sex lives to provide evidence that this is indeed the case. In the absence of such evidence, the rest of us are justified in a WEAK ATHEISM. It's the subtle distinction between not believing in god and believing that there's not a god. Absent evidence, I can say..  what god.. I don't see any god.. I don't know what you're talking about.. and until you show me evidence of this god (that is not better accounted for by more simplistic principles of logic and science), then I just don't believe. Indeed, I do think that there are good reasons for believing that there is NOT a god as well, but that's a different story. The most fundamental question is one of evidence. What I see religious proselytizers doing is appealing to people's emotions.. their sense of human anxiety.. incompletion.. wonder.. insecurity.. loneliness, etc. and coaxing them, in this way, into buying into (this is a sort of salesmanship, after all) what are really ill-justified half-baked ideas about gods and ghosts and resurrections and prayers and sacrifices. People believe not on the basis of well-reasoned evidence but because they WANT to believe. They convince themselves that the events in their lives are answers to their prayers when in fact SOMETHING had to happen.. and the prayer hypothesis was never falsifiable in the first place. The denial of death is very consoling. Loved ones are still with us and we will never REALLY have to face mortality.

I've written enough. That's all I have to say for the moment.


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Bravo. Indeed, Sam Harris got it right. Religious ideas need to be criticized, just like we are able to criticize and engage people regarding other views: economic, political, etc. 
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I would really like you to continue writing in your blog.
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